Can tinctures go wrong?

topic posted Sun, July 12, 2009 - 11:13 PM by  Moonica
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I have been quite successful with tinctures for quite some time. But whenever I try to make st johns wort tincture lately it seems really cloudy, not the brilliant red that i am used to. I used fresh these times. Is it still ok to use when it is cloudy like that? Also has happened to my lemon balm tincture in which it doesn't smell right. I usually use part rum and part water as I do not like the sharp taste of vodka.

thanks for any assistance to this issue! i am very grateful for a place in which i can come and get advice from other fellow herbalists!

Blessings

Monica
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Moonica
Portland
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  • Re: Can tinctures go wrong?

    Mon, July 13, 2009 - 12:12 AM
    Never had this problem Moonica, but I do not add water to my menstruum - unless it is Everclear if I am out of Vodka hehe (and I used distilled water, so I know nothing is in it)! I like to use Brandy (Christian Brothers) as it tastes better, I can relate. But I don't dilute with water. Make sure you have enough alcohol percentage for the particular thing you are tincturing (most being around 40-50%, or 80 to 100 proof, will work) or it will go bad. You can add water to it right before actual use if you need to. Some things (like Milk Thistle Seeds, Usnea or resins) need to be tinctured in Everclear. Good luck!
  • Re: Can tinctures go wrong?

    Mon, July 13, 2009 - 9:42 PM
    Actually Dr. Christopher and Dr. Schultze suggests using vodka or everclear. The vodka because it contains no impurities so the extract is much better.

    Your St. John's wort may be having a conflict with the rum. Idk.
  • Re: Can tinctures go wrong?

    Tue, September 1, 2009 - 10:56 AM
    If you're putting water in your tinctures, then you may be diluting the alcohol too much and some of the vegetable matter may be rotting instead of being preserved like the alcohol does.

    Yes, tinctures can go wrong. Vodka and everclear are recommended because the high alcohol content leeches the active ingredients from the herbs, and preserves the herbs while the leeching is going on. Vodka and Everclear have less impurities than other forms of alcohol.

    Make sure that if you use brandy, you use one with a high alcohol content. Rum should be fine to use, though it's going to change the color a bit. Just don't add water until just before you take it. Never add it to the tincture as a whole, but you can add it to a dose.
    • Re: Can tinctures go wrong?

      Wed, September 2, 2009 - 10:29 AM
      agreed..i think water added is your culprit!
      • Re: Can tinctures go wrong?

        Thu, September 17, 2009 - 9:07 PM
        Thank you! The person who taught me how to make tinctures told me to add water to it. They seemed ok since then but not this time around. I tried again with vodka. what a waste of rum that was though!
        • Re: Can tinctures go wrong?

          Thu, September 17, 2009 - 11:30 PM
          Actually many herbalist have been using a combination of water and alcohol to make their tinctures for years without problems. I cant remember exactly but there is a percentage alcohol below which is not safe.

          There are certain advantages to using a mixture of alcohol and water for making tinctures, the main one being that different compounds dissolve in water than in alcohol. If you are making a tincture of an herb, like Black Cohosh, who's medicinal components are mostly oil / alcohol soluble then using a higher proof menstruum (extracting liquid) is in order. However, for many herbs such as Oregon Grape using a 50/50 Alcohol / Water menstruum will extract both alcohol and water soluble components which is highly desirable.

          Here at the late Michael Moore's SWSBM site there are recommended alcohol percentages (as well as applications, dosages, parts of plants to use, etc) for most tinctures.

          www.swsbm.com/ManualsMM/HerbTinct3.txt

          Here is another useful menstruum chart:

          www.risingstarmusic.com/laughi...art.pdf

          St John's Wort should be tinctured fresh and with a higher alcohol content 75-100%.

          If you are not familiar with Michael Moore's clinical manuals they are not only free but extremely useful and found here:

          www.swsbm.com/ManualsMM/MansMM.html

          And there is tons of information on his home page as well:

          www.swsbm.com/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

          I might suggest that if you use any of Michale's information that you make a small donation to help keep them available for the future:

          www.mooreandmore2009.com/id26.html

          All the best,


          D

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