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'It has been my experience that most herb users do not have enough confidence or knowledge about the herbs they use to use them in sufficient potent quantities to achieve the desired effects. ' read on....
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his method are to blast the body with potent herbs. he goes for quality and quantity.
he uses 10 to 20 times more herb in his products than his competitors
and claims a 95% success rate with his patients ... something must be very right.
what your opinion regarding this? are most the herbs we use just too weak to be effective? are we too timid?
is the consensus herbal knowledge hindering us from exstracting their true healing powers?
i am wondering if can you take too many herbs and poison yourself?
what are the side effects? do you get any?
ect...
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his method are to blast the body with potent herbs. he goes for quality and quantity.
he uses 10 to 20 times more herb in his products than his competitors
and claims a 95% success rate with his patients ... something must be very right.
what your opinion regarding this? are most the herbs we use just too weak to be effective? are we too timid?
is the consensus herbal knowledge hindering us from exstracting their true healing powers?
i am wondering if can you take too many herbs and poison yourself?
what are the side effects? do you get any?
ect...
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Re: so dr schultz says...
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 12:43 PMThats where knowledge comes in. When I make my herbs I make them strong.. but only certain ones.. like cayenne.. I have one tincture of Cayenne that is used for emergencies only.. I use it for anyone who has the signs and sypmptoms of a heart attack as it works very similar to nitro.
There are other herbs that are safe herbs like Mullein that I tincture longer and make more potent.. as well as my breathing formula.. and pain salve.
Most herbs work well together..and can be incredibly beneficial, However, knowledge has everything to do with how something is done.. If one begins using herbs without knowing the chemical constituents as well as the chemical interactions of each herb with each other, then it can be very dangerous.
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Re: so dr schultz says...
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 9:27 AMYou definately need knowledge to use a dosing that is both safe and effective. Most of the commercial tea formula are so weak as to be 1/6th to 1/10th the therapeutic dose, many books for the layman also give the same subtherapeutic doses because the author and the publisher (herein the US at least) are terrified that someone might poison themselves and they'll be sued. You can even look at the "recommended dose" on many tinctures and compare it to the doses given in the old B.P. or Eclectic texts (British Pharmacopea) - or listed in Mrs. Grieve's "A Modern Herbal" which are drawn from the B.P. - and find the doses manufacturers list for tinctures are given in drops while the medical works give doses that are several mililitres for tinctures. You will also find these days that many DIY herbal guides, and companies as well, use tinctures of widely varying strengths instead of the Eclectic or Brussels Protocol standards used in works from when herbalism was more mainstream and it only makes dosing all the more confusing.
I once confronted an herbalist who ran a company producing tinctures about the doses being giving on his bottles being too low and his tinctures not being of a consistent strength ratio (1:10, 1:4, 1:5) and after a totally Nuage dgression about energetics and spiritual gobbeldygook - which had nothing to do with the question - he finally admitted that no they really wouldn't do much for people in "a medical sense" but it was a safe bet for him and the company because noone would get any interactions or side effects since the dose was so low and also people would not be willing to buy the product if they had to take a therapeutic amount since it would be too expensive and being so dilute) there would be too much alcohol. When I inquired as to why then his company didn't just produce fluidextracts of the weaker herbs so people could take a therapeutic dose I was told that it would be too expensive (for the company), since there was a 2500% profit on the product (yes 25x the cost of materials), and "people might take too much". When I inquired that, as a healer, wasn't this a big time unethical practice and much like big pharma's attitude he went back into talk of nuage spirituality and metaphysics rather than an answer. When I pressed it he got angry and demanded "Well, how much do you make in a year?".
I tend to agree with Dr. Schultz from my years dealing with patiets (and sometimes other herbalists) although I do not think it's necesary to "blast the body with potent herbs" I have found that many people are taking - and many 'herbalists' are prescribing the eqivalent of a quarter of a baby asprin for a headache rather than a whole one. The reasons for this also usually involve fear of litigation, profit motivations, and inadequate training and fear of interactions they don't know how to predict and prevent. I know I was trained in using correctly even the more powerful herbs such as conium, convallaria, aconite, etc, as well as how to standardise them for effect when making the tinctures (so that 1ml produces consistent action in refrence to the standard tincture) and I have used even the powerful ones for a number of years without ever ill effects and with consistent good results. -
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Re: so dr schultz says...
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 5:42 PMThere is also too by the herbal companies who manufacture tinctures that most companies due to high volumn only masserate a tincture 2 weeks.. They don't go by the moon cycles, nor do most of them care about what the plant has been sprayed with.
Homeopathy useses such small doesages in most cases that even the most toxic of herbs can safely be taken because there may only be a few drops of actual herb in a vat.
Dr. Schultz's tinctures as well as Dr. Christopher (Dr. Schultz 's teacher) used alot of herb in their tinctures as well as masserated them from one moon to the next, strained, added more herb and masserated them again. They're tinctures were strong enough that a few drops went along way and the amount of saturated alcohol was safe enough for even a hard core recovering alcoholic to take with no side effects. (that was Dr. Schultz claim.)
I have made some of the tinctures they recommended. I used their breathe easy formula for one.. I bought some in a health food store and tried using it while mine masserated, but I pitched it because it barely looked like colored water. It said it had a bunch of herbs in it but even sitting in the jar, my mixture was much darker color then what the store had. Shrug.. I waited for mine, then used some, it helped pretty good.. then added more mixture and let it infuse better.. The next batch was much stronger still and after the 3rd time.. (yes 3rd time) It was medicinal quality. It kept my husband alive for the year he was going back and forth to docs waiting to be diagnosed with a really aggressive strain of TB. Montana only gets maybe one case per year.. so the docs here didn't have a clue. -
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Re: so dr schultz says...
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 12:58 PMExperimentation and self knowledge'
Bliss
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Re: so dr schultz says...
Tue, April 7, 2009 - 1:13 PMI don't make my own tinctures at this time but I have used Dr. Schulze's products and can attest to thier potency when it comes to helping me overcome various problems. Yes, they are potent, and yes they work, for me at least. By the way, the original link has the doctors name spelt wrong, there is no "t" in his name. -
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Re: so dr schultz says...
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 9:29 AMthanks for your diligent replies.
dr strauss i mean : )
regarding potency of herbs ... being of any benefit.
i am going thru a herbal tea phase. i am using basic products from the local health store (uk) such as dr strauss and yogi tea. am i or anyone getting any real benifits from such local products (no more tha 3-5 tea bags a day are recommended) or is this more a waste of time. is the potency and quality of such product there to be of benefit? -
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Re: so dr schultz says...
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 11:41 AMYou really need to use 3-5 bags of a yogi tea to make just one cup that might have therapeutic benefits. Yogi is more about the show of 'doing something healthy' than being therapeutic in my opinion. Of course it depends on the blend. Most of their teas are blended to be acceptable if not just outright taste good and any medical benefits are way way down on the list of considerations in the manufacture. I don't recall any longer what prepackaged or bagged herbal teas are available in England off the top of my head. I know that on this side of the pond if you open up the tea bags of one of the brands of single herb teas and measure you may need eight bags or more to make 2 teaspoons which may be enough to brew two cups if done the right way.
It also depends on the constituents of the formula. Delicate herbs such as flowers, aromatics and fine leaf material extracts very fast, while barks and roots unless well powdered need to be simmered and decocted for a while to extract the constituents. Often times I find coarsely chopped material of differnt sorts in herbal tea bags - barks, roots, leaf, flower - all mixed together. Overbrewing aromatics also drives out much of the goodness with the steam if they are allowed to brew too hot or uncovered. One should place a saucer over the mug or cup after adding hot water) The end result being that someone brews with a tea bag and gets nothing out of some of the herbs. Sometimes this is deliberate by the company as people may complain that the correct extraction woul "taste like medicine" or "taste strange" so the erbs are there for the show of being there not the effect.
I often tell my patients to buy good quality bulk herbs and brew their own teas sing a tea ball, or simmering in a pot for barks and roots. Pau D'Arco needs to be simmered for 20 min or more to extract its activity and often one can make three extractions from the same material! You can see that stepping it five minutes in hot water would do nothing much at all.
Just for your reference
1 ml is about equal to 1 dropperful or 30 drops
Tinctures
1:10 = 10 ml is fully equivalent to the active soluable components of 1 gm of herb of standard quality. (This is a Protocol International a.k.a. Brussles Protocol Strength) Often used for very powerful herbs requiring a careful small dose such as digitalis.
1:5 = 5 ml is fully equivalent to the active soluable components of 1 gm of herb of standard quality. (This is an unwritten pharmacopoea standard for weaker herbs)
1:4 = 4 ml is fully equivalent to the active soluable components of 1 gm of herb of standard quality. (This is often an Eclectic Standad concentration.)
Fluidextracts
1:1 = 1 ml is fully equivalent to the active soluable components of 1 gm of herb of standard quality. (This is a Protocol International a.k.a. Brussles Protocol Strength)
Usually for herbs without a powerful action - such as many of the common gentle herbs most often used - the recommended therapeutic dose may be a few grams equivalent per day. I'll wager you that a whole box of commercial tea doesn't have that in it.
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Re: so dr schultz says...
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 5:17 PMif youa re buying prepared blends in bag form: traditional medicinals, form Sebastopol, CA, rall does know their therapeutics, and i recommend thier blends. they have refined a few formulas over the eyars.
when brewing something that needs to be infused (steeped in bilin water0 rather than decocted (simmered under continued hea of the stove0, Ioften jsut put the loose dried or fresh herb ino a mason jar, pour the boiling water over it, and let it steep until it;s colled enough to dink. strain it when it;ls eady abd dont bother with the tea ball, which doesn;t hold that much herb most of te time.
inexpensiem reusable, and ittracels well ...i.e., i can make the tea at hoe, put the two-=piece lid and ring on the widemouth jar, and take it to work with me.
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